• ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3129·
    11 个月前

    That is probably a slam dunk (minor) discrimination lawsuit. Your circumstances of birth, including the date, are not something you can be judged for.

    Follow up with your ID or Birth certificate and ask “Excuse me?”

    • blaine@kbin.social
      1692·
      11 个月前

      @ocassionallyaduck

      @The_Picard_Maneuver

      Not true in the US. They could ban anyone born in the entire month of April, or anyone who “looks like a pot smoker” if they wanted to.

      Applicants, employees and former employees are ONLY protected from employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy, sexual orientation, or gender identity), national origin, age (40 or older), disability and genetic information (including family medical history).

      • flyingjake@lemmy.oneEnglish
        453·
        11 个月前

        I wonder if an argument could be made that birthdate is a component of your genetic information including family medical history? It is also potentially age discrimination?

        • Tbird83ii@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          384·
          11 个月前

          Technically this is discrimination based on age.

          They were born 4/20/(year). You could make an argument they are discriminating all people exactly (X) years, 4 months, and 2 days old.

          • CleoTheWizard@lemmy.worldEnglish
            5·
            11 个月前

            Yeah we typically thing age discrimination is saying we only hire people between 20-40y/o but it would also cover it if you said “I won’t hire someone 21 years old only” and still applies to banning someone 21.5 years old. And 21 years and 6 months and 27 days old.

            Same applies if I ban anyone with an age divisible by 3. It’s a group of people, but if their age has anything to do with why you aren’t hiring them then I’d say this applies.

            • davidgro@lemmy.worldEnglish
              11·
              11 个月前

              No, the comment was written on the 18th so 2 days. The 4 months only matches because this is December.

              • Darth_Mew@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                11 个月前

                wtf does the comment date have to do with April being the (4th) month and the (20th) being the 20th day of the month?

                • davidgro@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  11·
                  11 个月前

                  Because how old someone is is relative to the current time. And that’s the wording that the commenter used: People who are x years, y months, and z days old. The next day those same people will be a day older.

                  Say the discrimination was about people born on Dec 20 instead of April, in that case they (where I am) are currently X years, 11 months, and 30 days old, and tomorrow is their birthday.

                  I just realized that they did calculate it the wrong direction though, the 4/20 peeps are 3 months and 30 or 29 days old today (not sure on that) today.

        • Bgugi@lemmy.worldEnglish
          6·
          11 个月前

          Creative thoughts, but the exact definitions don’t track (from GINA):

          Genetic information.–

          (A) In general.–The term “genetic information” means, with respect to any individual, information about–

          (i) such individual’s genetic tests,

          (ii) the genetic tests of family members of such individual, and

          (iii) the manifestation of a disease or disorder in family members of such individual.

          (B) Inclusion of genetic services and participation in genetic research.–Such term includes, with respect to any individual, any request for, or receipt of, genetic services, or participation in clinical research which includes genetic services, by such individual or any family member of such individual.

          © Exclusions.–The term “genetic information” shall not include information about the sex or age of any individual.

          • JackFrostNCola@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            11 个月前

            Are you being sarcastic? Or does being rejected for a job for being ‘too young’ fall under a different discrimination law?
            (Genuine question, i have no idea)

            • ramble81@lemm.eeEnglish
              6·
              11 个月前

              It doesn’t qualify as a type of discrimination that is federally protected. Suprising isn’t it?

        • AFK BRB Chocolate@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          11 个月前

          I doubt it - your age isn’t determined by your genetics. The family medical history part is so that someone doesn’t fire you (or not hire you) for things like your mom having a kind of cancer that is hereditary. As a manager, if one of my employees tells me their mom has cancer, I’m not allowed to ask what kind.

    • ryathal@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      621·
      11 个月前

      It wouldn’t get anywhere in the US. Age is the closest protected class, but only applies to over 40 in the US. Discrimination based on month and day of birth isn’t actually illegal.

      • Pickle_Jr@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        443·
        11 个月前

        I honestly think there’s a gray area here and it’s worth talking to a lawyer if anything. There are certainly some protections for peoples under 40. Being denied a promotion because you’re “too young” is certainly a protection. The catch is you have to prove it.

        This case is easy to prove though if there are any laws over this.

        Edit: but now that I think about it, this is only really a protection if you’re already hired at the place. If you just slam the door on people before they can get in, discrimination seems to be legal.

        • AFK BRB Chocolate@lemmy.worldEnglish
          7·
          11 个月前

          I believe it’s legal in the US to pass someone over for promotion because they’re too young. The only protected class related to age is being over 40 (potentially different in some states).

        • Trainguyrom@reddthat.comEnglish
          31·
          11 个月前

          but now that I think about it, this is only really a protection if you’re already hired at the place. If you just slam the door on people before they can get in, discrimination seems to be legal.

          Pretty sure that protection so applies to the application process. Can’t have places rejecting every non-white candidate for being the wrong race. The problem is proving that you were rejected for a BS reason is really hard because they usually don’t flat out say it, and especially not in writing

        • Infynis@midwest.socialEnglish
          1·
          11 个月前

          Being denied a promotion because you’re “too young” is certainly a protection.

          It’s not actually. Age protections really do only apply to old people. If the person in the post is over 40 though, and got rejected for their birthday, they could probably at least get the company to overturn the rejection. Not sure how well they’d do in court. Most of this stuff doesn’t get enforced well, and that one is already a stretch

    • AlfredEinstein@lemmy.worldEnglish
      201·
      11 个月前

      Classic age discrimination.

      Make sure to find a lawyer who is 69 years old and whose license plate is LOL80085.

      • GroundedGator@lemmy.worldEnglish
        22·
        11 个月前

        Birthday on LinkedIn is a bit outlandish as age discrimination laws are fairly standard. I think it is more likely that they called it their birthday on some immature post, which may mean that the applicant is a poor cultural fit.

    • R0cket_M00se@lemmy.worldEnglish
      51·
      11 个月前

      “However, the skillset has been retained in our documentation for future potential expansion into potential expansion.”

      • JTheDoc@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        11 个月前

        “Your skills and qualities tell us you may be over qualified for the position. We would like to offer you a role in management instead.”

        • grandkaiser@lemmy.worldEnglish
          8·
          11 个月前
          • Managed a diverse team, ensuring effective communication and coordination across departments.
          • Orchestrated a strategic expansion initiative to establish presence in previously uncharted regions.
          • Oversaw budget management and resource allocation to meet organizational goals.
          • Led a major organizational transformation, significantly expanding membership and reach.
          • Excelled in strategic negotiations and public relations to foster expansion.
          • Cultivated a strong team culture focused on achieving shared objectives.
          • Led high-stakes operations in logistically complex and challenging environments.
          • Pioneered innovative approaches to overcome traditional operational barriers.
  • Phoenixz@lemmy.caEnglish
    961·
    11 个月前

    What always ticks me off beyond reason in mails like these is the “we genuinely appreciate your time and effort in…”

    Fuck. You. With. An. Umbrella.

    You don’t appreciate shit, you’re full of shit, yet you’re too shit to even just say what you really want to say: fuck you, we don’t give a damn. Because being actually honest might also be bad and cost money.

    Companies like there are the worse and should all burn in hell

    • The Picard Maneuver@startrek.websiteOPEnglish
      59·
      11 个月前

      Now I’m imagining someone legitimately putting their Jan6 involvement on a resume.

      Window Structural Integrity Tester (Jan 6th, 2021): Responsibilities included - unconventional team-building activities, conditioning, navigating unfamiliar territory, and breaking down barriers.

      • Poggervania@kbin.social
        196·
        11 个月前

        Nah, it’d probably be more like:

        Security Field Tester (Jan 6, 2021): Part of a group that organized a large-scale “peaceful march” in order to thoroughly check security protocols for the Capitol building. Duties included attempts at theft to see if we’d be stopped, testing window durability by attempting to break them, engaging physically with security staff in riot gear to test security training, and shouting terroristic threats in order to see how secure government protocols were in the event of a riot at a governmental building.

  • GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.eeEnglish
    9220·
    11 个月前

    This can’t be real. There are so many red flags this is fake. 1) Everything is censored. 2) GIS (Google image search) lookup only shows reddit and linkedin. The linkedin post is just as vague “learned a colleague received this!” 3) It’s too good to be true. it plays on current fears. 4) It’s just so dumb.

    • doctorcrimson@lemmy.todayEnglish
      6812·
      11 个月前

      1. Of course everything is censored, there is no reason to share personal info like that.

      2. I don’t know what Geographical Information Systems have to do with this post, are you referring to a reverse image search like google or tineye or something? What were you expecting to find? The original email with all of the aforementioned personal info? Are you surprised content could be posted to Reddit before anywhere else?

      3. Current fears are justified.

      4. Poe’s Law tells me not to assume anything is satirical because there will always be people that stupid or greedy.

      And yeah, it could be fake, 100%, but your arguments were really dumb.

    • son_named_bort@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10·
      11 个月前
      1. Companies usually don’t send out detailed rejection letters like this. They’re usually like “after reviewing your credentials we decided to go with another candidate” or something vague like that.
    • Voyajer@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9·
      11 个月前

      1 is in no way a red flag, don’t put other’s personally identifying information on the Internet.

    • orphiebaby@lemm.eeEnglish
      21·
      11 个月前

      I fucking hate people like you.

      “Everything on Reddit/Lemmy is fake and gay. Here’s my evidence.”

      All evidence easily has an explanation, most of it laughably so.

      What do idiots who claim everything is fake get out of it? To troll the OP? Or do you just want to spread your misery?

  • Sunfoil@lemmy.worldEnglish
    713·
    11 个月前

    Is this not completely illegal? Dunno about the USA, in the UK age is a protected characteristic and you would be fucked for trying this. If it’s real ofc.

  • jol@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    692·
    11 个月前

    This is most likely fake.

    If this was automated, a company automating rejection emails would never write the reason for rejection. It would be a vague excuse like “not a good fit for the role”.

    If this was not automated, then no recruiter would be this stupid.

  • ThenThreeMore@startrek.websiteEnglish
    631·
    11 个月前

    Under GDPR you have a right for your application to be reviewed by a human rather than an automated rejection. Is there something like that in the country maybe?

    • whatever@lemmy.worldEnglish
      298·
      11 个月前

      Me, why shouldn’t one do that? But my last resume is 10 years old, maybe I am out of touch with all the mumbo jumbo dancing you have to do, to build the “right” resume.

          • linuxPIPEpower@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            71·
            11 个月前

            Well you can’t make a hiring decision on that basis in most places unless you have a reason. What constitutes “a reason” being variable. Generally if you are prohibited from making a decision on a certain factor, you may not ask about it during an interview.

            Sex discrimination can be constituted by various things. For example asking about maritial status, children, plans for pregnancy, soliciting sexual favors, etc. Also in some places, if you thought someone might be trans, you could not ask them about that.

      • RGB3x3@lemmy.worldEnglish
        19·
        11 个月前

        Don’t put your age. It can lead to unintentional (or intentional) age discrimination and it’s better for your experience to be the focus.

        Age isn’t a factor in hiring, so there’s no need to put it on there. It could only be a detriment to the applicant.

          • linuxPIPEpower@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            3·
            11 个月前

            Some of us don’t clutter up our resumes with every job we’ve ever had. My resume lists nothing irrelevant to my current career. I was well into adulthood at that time. Who cares where I went to highschool? It demonstrates respect for the time of the person tasked with reading a stack of resumes to not waste their time.

            • macrocephalic@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2·
              11 个月前

              People probably don’t care where you went to high school, but they probably care if you have a degree and when you got it. Most people go to university within a few years of finishing high school.

              • linuxPIPEpower@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
                11·
                11 个月前

                According to US statistics, “overall college enrollment rate of 18- to 24-year-olds (ages in which students traditionally enroll in college) was 38 percent in 2021”.

                So if by “most people” you mean, “less than half” then yes you are correct.

                • macrocephalic@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  21·
                  11 个月前

                  Most people who have a higher education degree. I thought that was implied as you even mentioned it in your comment “ages in which students traditionally enroll in college”.

      • tty5@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        11 个月前

        Unless you are trying to get a job with min/max age requirements, like airline pilot or us president, age provides no valuable information to potential employer other than a factor to illegally discriminate on.

      • r_se_random@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        3·
        11 个月前

        Personally, I would say it shouldn’t matter.

        I wouldn’t want to know the birth date of a person I was interviewing, and there’s no need for my interviewer to know mine.

    • JustARegularNerd@lemmy.worldEnglish
      13·
      11 个月前

      It wasn’t on their résumé it was on their LinkedIn.

      Although now the question becomes, why would you put your DOB on LinkedIn, which I have no idea.

      • Xer0@lemmy.mlEnglish
        242·
        11 个月前

        I have never, ever put my birthday or age on a CV. Fuck that.

        • stebo02@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          515·
          11 个月前

          You act like we’re talking about peepee lengths. Doesn’t age seem something very relevant to consider when hiring someone?

          • Xer0@lemmy.mlEnglish
            102·
            11 个月前

            I hardly see why it’s relevant at all, no. It’s like a fucking kids painting putting your age on there lmfao.

          • Spaceballstheusername@lemmy.worldEnglish
            5·
            11 个月前

            How is it relevant? Why should an employer care about your? All they should care about if you can do your job or not. It’s also illegal in many places around the world to make a decision based on someones age.

  • regdog@lemmy.worldEnglish
    657·
    11 个月前

    On the one hand this is a bad that this happened to you, because the reasoning is completely idiotic.

    On the other hand it can be a learning lesson that it’s better to write your birthday as April 20th, and never as 4/20.

    PS: Please name that company publicly. Maybe write a short mail to a website about tech news, like https://arstechnica.com or https://www.wired.com. You could also try the blog https://boingboing.net

    • Ookami38@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      431·
      11 个月前

      Seems like they should really keep using 4/20, seems like an effective pre-screening tool for places I don’t even want to walk by, let alone work at.

    • Meta_J@lemmy.worldEnglish
      27·
      11 个月前

      Publicity will help prevent such major oversight. This is the problem with using AI for hiring practices instead of real people. Applying to jobs in the 2020s with a college degree, experience in the field, required employment history, and certifications STILL feels like applying for credit cards online with bad credit due to AI prematurely denying many applicants on frivolous grounds before it even gets to the recruiters email/web portal. That being said I don’t think this person is the person who received the email themselves they are just posting it here.

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldEnglish
        111·
        11 个月前

        It may not be worth listening to me on this because I only got to preliminary stages of looking for a new job before finding out that I would need to be a full time learning coach for my daughter’s online school, but I had ChatGPT rewrite my resume for me. My reasoning was that if AI is weeding out resumes, they’ll be less likely to weed out a resume written by what an AI thinks a resume should look like.

    • maynarkh@feddit.nlEnglish
      171·
      11 个月前

      Why does a company even need your date of birth on an application?

  • spudwart@spudwart.comEnglish
    646·
    11 个月前

    If you’re in the US and can afford it, Talk to a lawyer.

    This is blatant discrimination of a immutable attribute which is a Civil Rights violation.

    This is written evidence to that fact.

    • candle_lighter@lemmy.mlEnglish
      331·
      11 个月前

      I really hope OP goes through with the lawsuit because of how funny it is. I want to see it make big news

    • ddkman@lemm.eeEnglish
      201·
      11 个月前

      This is why I assume this must be fake. Because even a trainee HR employee would look at that email, and not send it out.

      • CanadaPlus@futurology.todayEnglish
        82·
        11 个月前

        Assuming they’re checking the emails at all.

        Remember when that guy decided to read a book while his Tesla was doing basic lane following, and merged into a semi? I 'member.

      • Asafum@feddit.nlEnglish
        21·
        11 个月前

        Is it like a disgusting brown/yellow? I was having that all day yesterday but I don’t see it on the post you’re talking about.