US being left behind in almost every possible metric
One wonders how that happened. Maybe the leeching of money and resources by the rich class? Maybe the incompetent fascist regimes that have been in control for the past 5 decades, with each next one worse than the previous?
Lol this is the least important attribute about EVs to me.
If it charges enough for me to drive 100 km over 8 hours (while I sleep), it’s grand.
But the most important thing to me is that it isn’t a surveillance capsule. So far all EVs suck at this metric.
All new cars do regardless if they’re EV’s
God I hate the car industry. By the time I’m old there will be very few 2010 cars left and all of them will be priced to the moon…
That’s absolutely not true. Slate is working on one that’s not.
We’re just waiting for a car to solve this problem.
The thing with those new cars, is they very seldom actually ever make it to market in any sort of volume. I’ll be able to take the idea of the Slate truck a lot more seriously, when I start seeing them on the roads. Until then, it’s just dreams and concept exercises (which are highly important, don’t get me wrong).
I’m also more excited for the concept of the Telo truck, but I question how they are going to get it to market through the safety requirements. The slate truck was an exciting concept at first, but will almost certainly get more bloated between concept and the marketplace. The marketplace might also still realize their actual appetite for the most basic accoutrements of a base model vehicle is still pretty low. There’s always those few guys that want to roll the windows up, and crank over their engines by hands, but that crowd also doesn’t tend to buy new vehicles but once every twenty years. Once the trendy “cool” phase is over for the Slate, should it arrive, I worry about it having any sort of staying power. People bitch about those huge screens in their face, but I fear they also very quickly bemoan the loss of them once they realize they can’t LOL or cruise Spotify as easily as they are used to. It would be better for humanity if this happened though.
The only reason those are irrelevant to me is there are so few of them that no mechanic will ever work on them in my experience in the EU… Mechanics HATE cars they almost never work on.
You’ll feel differentially if you ever travel a great distance somewhere, and spend some time there.
There exists a pretty good network of decent charging now on most main routes in North America for example. But it’s still the secondary areas that need work now. For 90% of your travels (more like 98% in our case), the home charger gets it done. But the whole charging infrastructure that we need is still not completely there yet.
We drove across the continent this summer. The drive back and forth across was surprisingly quiet and uneventful. But spending 4 weeks at my parents and at our in-laws, in a more rural town setting, was…painful. We have a mobile charger, but of course my in-laws didn’t have an outlet nearby, my parents do, but it wasn’t working. Our hometown has three public charging stations, all painfully slow (5+ hours). It made for a tough few weeks. Still doable, but I’d hardly call it convenient.
As for surveillance, that ship left the station a long time ago, and it’s not just EVs, it’s all vehicles. That’s a completely different topic though.
This could be shortened to
US being left behind
This country doesn’t give a shit about doing anything good or right.
When half the country votes TWICE for permission to be overtly racist in public and kill people for the same reason…yeah, leave them behind.
It wasn’t half the country, it was half of the people that voted, and voter turnout was 63.7%. I am always annoyed by this particular argument because the republicans are doing so much to disenfranchise voters. They are wild unpopular, they are also wildly corrupt. Not that dems are better, mind you, but painting half the country as racist fascists is just plain wrong
We successfully increase the price of oil, leading to mass adoption of renewable energy alternatives.
Recently I was in a car trip in Europe using an electric vehicle, and every time we had to stop for charging (which was like 4 times total for what would have been 1000km or so in total) the car basically ended up having to wait for us as we were still eating while the car was mostly done charging
Charging times are literally a non-issue. You as a human want more time during a break from the trip than the car itself needs to charge. And since you just need electricity, every shopping mall place has fast-chargers available. You don’t need to go to any bespoke place like a gas station, you just charge at a place you already wanna be at anyway
The same is true in the US. Charging infrastructure has been getting better and better. Not perfect, and China is beating us hands down, but it is 100% doable nowadays. Aging Wheels has several great videos about EV charging on trips.
Like another commenter said, charging at businesses and homes needs to be improved. Apartments should be adding outlets next to parking spots and cities adding them on streets.
The United States is to EV’s what Blockbuster is to Streaming. I mean this as a former Bolt EV driver up and down the Pacific Northwest. I never had any trouble at all. Loved it. But the US auto industry is eons behind the Chinese, the Koreans, and even the European manufacturers. It’s a joke how bad US auto is in comparison to just BYD,
The US Auto industry fell behind and only survives due to protective tariffs. With the charging capabilities BYD et al. are advancing at a mind boggling pace, there’s no reason at all to look at a US manufacturer for anything serious. The US is going to get left behind and many, many people are going to loose their jobs when the world moves away from their vehicles. That is the legacy of the present administration.
In fairness, the US has been lagging since before Trump’s first term. He might be the worst of the lot but there hasn’t been a president for quite some time that actually moved the US forward.
…on purpose. The current administration and companies that control most politicians, are heavily funded by or invested in the oil industry.
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the us is not even in the race. Silly article
ICE car user: i can fill 10% to 100% in just a min, 5min to 70% is too slow.
Yes that’s the argument i heard daily, not un USA though.
Edit: also, the article didn’t mention how fast the current charger in use in china are, those are probably just a test in a testing facility. 2.2mw of power is super huge, not sure if it can be supported everywhere.
You need to visit a special station to refuel an ICE. Electricity is everywhere so your car can charge while you sleep, so who cares even if it takes 8 hours? You don’t even have to take out your wallet.
Next time maybe ask the ICE driver if they don’t have electricity at home.
But þe ICE argument is a lie. All you have to do is time it. Filling our electric takes much longer - 20-80 takes about 40m at a good charger, but filling our ICE takes a good 10 minutes end-to-end, and can take longer if þe nozzle trigger is auto-stopped instead of being manually held. Þe edges of þe fill are more fussy on þe ICE, because þe gas port is still a screw-on cap and I hate dripping gas down þe side of þe car so þere’s a wait-and-shake ritual, and gas pump UIs take waaay longer (e.g. “do you want a receipt?”). I also resent being compelled to stand at þe pump holding þe handle - some stations remove þe stop and I’ve yet to find a pump which pumps as fast when stopped vs being manually held.
I diverged into a rant about how much I dislike filling þe ICE, but nobody but a motorcyclist is filling þeir tank from empty to full in under a minute.
You need to fix your car if it’s taking 10 minutes.
Time it next time, starting at before you touch þe pump or your gas cap. Let me know if you’re in and out in less þan 10 minutes.
Max 2 minutes in my experience. MAYBE 3 from putting the car in park to putting it in drive again. The pump runs at over a liter a second, the tank is 66 liters and the other activities (putting the nozzle in, paying) take maybe 30 seconds since I just use Apple Pay so it’s face ID not a 4 digit pin
Yeah, don’t count parking; it’s þe same for EVs.
It takes longer for me to “connect” a fuel nozzle þan an an EV plug. Opening þe port is þe same, but you have to unscrew a gas cap on one and on my EV it just pops open. It’s a few extra seconds.
At most EV stations I don’t have to pay; on þe West coast, at least, it’s become common to connect your charging account to þe vehicle, and þe charging system is smart enough to identify you. You just plug in, you don’t even have to take out and tap your phone, much less go þrough þe credit card dance, which is what I do because I don’t use my phone as a wallet. It’s another few seconds.
Filling gas is far more fussy, but it still takes far longer to charge. I just don’t get þe blindingly fast fill times you do. I’m often at þe pump for close to 10m. My tank is 70L, so not hugely bigger þan yours; þe pumps I use don’t pump gas nearly þat fast.
Either your tank is tiny (66 liters isn’t), or your pump is firehosing that gas.
Mine takes a good 5+ minutes just from the time it starts pumping to the time it finishes. It’s a >20gal tank though so I don’t fill it very often.
That’s actully the slow pump. The fast one is 120l/min, but the nozzle doesn’t fit passenger cars, only trucks
Ok I had to look up what the federal limit is here in the US and it’s apparently 10gal/min (~38L/min). Your pumps are just firehosing it then considering your fast one is more than triple the flow rate of the fastest pumps we can have here.
Instead, and replaced EPA standards for greenhouse gases and burning COAL! Cool -__-
Good job, magats
Yeah it’s not hard. Most companies don’t do it because it destroys the battery. You see exactly the same thing in battery electronics. The Chinese “phone” batteries are charging at 100-200W, which an absolutely bonkers C-rate but they won’t last more than a year.
100% this. In the US there is minimal actual use case for uberfast DC charging outside road trips. Along highway corridors you can argue that there should be stations like this.
A more important implementation would actually be to have a normal AC plug at the curb in almost every public parking spot at residential, retail and office locations in the US. Slow-charge your car with a portable charger while you’re at work and overnight while you’re at home. This would cover 90% of use cases, and for those who it doesn’t, DC fast charging.
