Not every person can handle the responsibility of the power to push any content to anyone and everyone, thus mods were born out of necessity. Without them the communities you like would be spammed with at best AI scams begging for money and at worst CSAM so as to make it unusable by the people who disagree with your community.
However, you’re 100% able to buy your own hardware, launch your own instance, and start your own community, just as everyone else is.
No. Mods were born out of corporate and political interest to control mass media. Nothing more. Mods are there to convert digital spaces to align with their interest. They’re there to prevent people from actually forming another Egyptian spring, wiki leaks, anonymous or anything that could disrupt the current power structure.
Few years ago it was an issue since someone spammed CSAM that it got federated to multiple servers and it took concentrated effort from community mods and instance admins to solve the issue.
Automation plus mods are there to handle CSAM. Mods should be a nuclear option. But again give communities more control. Mods are not uphold an ever growing list of vague rules like cops who arrest and beat citizens for “resisting arrest”. It’s a system of abuse.
But ask yourself who has massive amounts of CSAM to randomly post across the internet to force an expansion of measure and control. Sounds a lot like something we know governments do.
For decade I’ve heard this defense that if mods weren’t there, we’d have CSAM in every corner of the internet. Much like if we didn’t have American military invading rural villages and dropping bombs on schools then we wouldn’t have any freedoms.
Look at reddit. We only found out a little bit of who mods were. Some were powerful people. Some were just marketing teams. It’s control. If you’re all leftist and you support mods you’re a class traitor.
I very much want to see how this “community run” forum would operate. Does everyone have the ability to remove comments or other users? Would it be up to the votes to decide what stays or not? What then when someone posts something actually offensive? It just stays there until everyone can decide what to do with it? Like, please explain it to me.
I don’t know which is the whole point of finding community solutions. No single person has the solution. A community develops it over time.
This was suppose to be a leftist leaning spaces. If they can’t fucking figure out how to moderate how do they expect to implement any of the core ideals. Cooperatives for example are exactly that.
Mods are the patriot act of the internet. It’s clear now looking back that the same shock doctrine that applied in every other part of life to limit freedoms and keep us controlled were applied to the internet as well. The barrage of CSAM across sites was the false flag that meant we all responded by giving away community based control to a handful of moderators, often times it was moderators who controlled 100s of other forums.
It’s all to avoid another Egyptian spring. It’s to keep your group from joining this other group. We’re all on our neat little boxes. Boxes that are used to suffocate rather than grow. How many times a day do you need to see post asking which is your favorite marvel character to realize the fucking hell moderation as created.
So then when was the internet ever “community based” to the point that we didn’t need mods or have separate websites and forums? And then when did we give that away?
I would say it was more like many places early on tried to build places that were community powered but it always went to a more hierarchical structure. Much like how capitalism and enshittification works. Over time, the people who really want something a certain way will get their way. We were headed in a good direction with voting. Then it’s like we just forgot about it. That feature turned into the most useless thing. Remember when sites all got rid of it at the same time? That was weird right. Maybe not so weird if they were all doing it because of outside pressure. Now we still have up and down arrows but they don’t do nothing
Need to nuke mods all over. Go to 100% community ownership. Why the fuck any lefty accepts mods is beyond me.
Not every person can handle the responsibility of the power to push any content to anyone and everyone, thus mods were born out of necessity. Without them the communities you like would be spammed with at best AI scams begging for money and at worst CSAM so as to make it unusable by the people who disagree with your community.
However, you’re 100% able to buy your own hardware, launch your own instance, and start your own community, just as everyone else is.
No. Mods were born out of corporate and political interest to control mass media. Nothing more. Mods are there to convert digital spaces to align with their interest. They’re there to prevent people from actually forming another Egyptian spring, wiki leaks, anonymous or anything that could disrupt the current power structure.
How would you handle the CSAM issue though?
Few years ago it was an issue since someone spammed CSAM that it got federated to multiple servers and it took concentrated effort from community mods and instance admins to solve the issue.
Automation plus mods are there to handle CSAM. Mods should be a nuclear option. But again give communities more control. Mods are not uphold an ever growing list of vague rules like cops who arrest and beat citizens for “resisting arrest”. It’s a system of abuse.
But ask yourself who has massive amounts of CSAM to randomly post across the internet to force an expansion of measure and control. Sounds a lot like something we know governments do.
For decade I’ve heard this defense that if mods weren’t there, we’d have CSAM in every corner of the internet. Much like if we didn’t have American military invading rural villages and dropping bombs on schools then we wouldn’t have any freedoms.
Look at reddit. We only found out a little bit of who mods were. Some were powerful people. Some were just marketing teams. It’s control. If you’re all leftist and you support mods you’re a class traitor.
I very much want to see how this “community run” forum would operate. Does everyone have the ability to remove comments or other users? Would it be up to the votes to decide what stays or not? What then when someone posts something actually offensive? It just stays there until everyone can decide what to do with it? Like, please explain it to me.
I don’t know which is the whole point of finding community solutions. No single person has the solution. A community develops it over time.
This was suppose to be a leftist leaning spaces. If they can’t fucking figure out how to moderate how do they expect to implement any of the core ideals. Cooperatives for example are exactly that.
Mods are the patriot act of the internet. It’s clear now looking back that the same shock doctrine that applied in every other part of life to limit freedoms and keep us controlled were applied to the internet as well. The barrage of CSAM across sites was the false flag that meant we all responded by giving away community based control to a handful of moderators, often times it was moderators who controlled 100s of other forums.
It’s all to avoid another Egyptian spring. It’s to keep your group from joining this other group. We’re all on our neat little boxes. Boxes that are used to suffocate rather than grow. How many times a day do you need to see post asking which is your favorite marvel character to realize the fucking hell moderation as created.
So then when was the internet ever “community based” to the point that we didn’t need mods or have separate websites and forums? And then when did we give that away?
I would say it was more like many places early on tried to build places that were community powered but it always went to a more hierarchical structure. Much like how capitalism and enshittification works. Over time, the people who really want something a certain way will get their way. We were headed in a good direction with voting. Then it’s like we just forgot about it. That feature turned into the most useless thing. Remember when sites all got rid of it at the same time? That was weird right. Maybe not so weird if they were all doing it because of outside pressure. Now we still have up and down arrows but they don’t do nothing