hey everyone. if you want to post links or discuss the Reddit blackout, its aftermath, and what’s happening going forward, please localize it to this thread in order to keep things tidy! thanks! we’ll see if we need to cycle the thread again before the end of this week, but i don’t know that we’ll need to

  • marco@beehaw.orgEnglish
    21·
    2 years ago

    And so, it begins https://old.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/14aeq5j/new_admin_post_if_a_moderator_team_unanimously/

    https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/reddit-protest-blackout-ceo-steve-huffman-moderators-rcna89544

    Reddit CEO slams protest leaders, saying he’ll change rules that favor ‘landed gentry’

    Reddit CEO Steve Huffman said Thursday that he wants to bring an end to a user-led protest that has made large parts of the influential website inaccessible this week. Huffman said in an interview that he plans to institute rules changes that would allow Reddit users to vote out moderators who have overseen the protest, comparing them to a “landed gentry.”

    The protest took down thousands of message boards, known as subreddits, starting Monday, and some communities say they plan to continue the action indefinitely. The action has been led by Reddit’s unpaid, volunteer moderators, who have a high level of control over how their subreddits are run. Participating communities went “private,” making them unviewable even to members. The protesters oppose changes that will most likely cut off their ability to access Reddit through third-party apps, and their action has hobbled much of the site.

    Huffman, also a Reddit co-founder, said he plans to pursue changes to Reddit’s moderator removal policy to allow ordinary users to vote moderators out more easily if their decisions aren’t popular. He said the new system would be more democratic and allow a wider set of people to hold moderators accountable.

    Reddit’s current policy says moderators may be removed by higher-ranking moderators or by Reddit itself for inactivity or violations of Reddit-wide rules. They may also remove themselves. Many have held their positions for years.

    “If you’re a politician or a business owner, you are accountable to your constituents. So a politician needs to be elected, and a business owner can be fired by its shareholders,” he said.

    “And I think, on Reddit, the analogy is closer to the landed gentry: The people who get there first get to stay there and pass it down to their descendants, and that is not democratic.”

    Moderators have argued that the high level of control over their communities is well-deserved because of the hours of free labor they’ve put into making and enforcing rules on their subreddits. Any plan to reduce their influence might result in another backlash.

    Huffman, who co-founded Reddit 18 years ago this month, said he believes the leaders of the protest may have had popular support when it started Monday but have lost most of it since.

          • sunbeam60@lemmy.oneEnglish
            3·
            2 years ago

            Yup, fully aware. I guess what I was trying to say was that there is a way to get rid of a CEO - own a lot of the business.

          • darkmugglet@lemm.eeEnglish
            2·
            2 years ago

            The venture capitalists can if they have a majority of the shares. Since Reddit raised $1.3B, I wouldn’t be surprised if the VCs own more than 50%. The only exception would be if those shares by the VCs are non voting, but I can’t see a VC buying non voting shares.

    • GoodEye8@lemm.eeEnglish
      19·
      2 years ago

      Interesting point about the future of Reddit in that article:

      Huffman said, however, that he’d like some form of revenue-sharing.

      “I would like subreddits to be able to be businesses if they choose,” he said, adding that’s “another conversation, but I think that’s the next frontier of Reddit.”

      The long-term goal is monetization of subreddits. I’m glad I won’t be there to see that happen.

      • gapbetweenus@feddit.deEnglish
        6·
        2 years ago

        The only lol ng term goal of most CEO is money in their pocket. But some are to dumb, since they often just fall upwards their whole life, so they run their company into the ground.

      • darkmugglet@lemm.eeEnglish
        3·
        2 years ago

        I think this is where the Fediverse can shine. If a Corp wants to join and host their own stuff, they can, and it will be really clear. Decentralization means that instead of a single broker of the information we can have a range from altruistic to straight up monetization exist side by side. But why some Corp would pay for a subreddit is crazy…I mean, what is the value prop? Companies would have to pay for the subreddit and then moderate it too?

    • marco@beehaw.orgEnglish
      16·
      2 years ago

      If anything, the mods are indentured servants who toil on Lord Huffmans plots for free. Landed gentry, my ass.

      • main_water@beehaw.orgEnglish
        6·
        2 years ago

        That’s the exact definition of serfdom.

        It’s frustrating that being a mod is first-come-first-serve, but people have been complaining about the system for many many years (/r/Canada is one strong example). So in a way, voting on mods could be a welcome change, but this is clearly not actually for the good of the community.