• Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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    10 days ago

    No, I am implying that among western “leftists” there is a desire to more openly accept vague anti-China claims in a manner that goes against real solidarity with Socialists globally, and they do so because they don’t want to imagine anywhere else could be on a better track.

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      10 days ago

      Western leftists literally never shut up about the Nordic countries so I must flatly reject the premise that the justification is the preservation some vestigial notion of Manifest Destiny

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        10 days ago

        Seems to me that you’re just trying to dig deeper out of a sense of contrarianism even if you largely agree with what I’m saying.

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          10 days ago

          Maybe I’m misunderstanding what you’re saying, then… But I agree that we’re just bouncing off supporting arguments rather than directly defending or refuting a central thesis.

          My understanding of your point was that western critisms of China are either at best misinformed, but in general the result of trying to preserve the idea that “the west is in front, so everyone else must be behind”.

          I fundamentally reject this specific formulation because the result of that formulation is that there exists no valid criticism of China.

          So, let’s just settle this: what would you say is the most uncomfortablely valid criticism of China?