thank you for saving us chairman Mao!

Given the number of dead Russians reported every week, I don’t think they’ve lost.

changing IPs is very easy.

The problem is that you can’t block all scraping. The scrapers make their bots look like regular traffic, so even if you block all known scrapers, there will be tons that just look like humans visiting your site.

I don’t do the work to back up somebody else’s opinion. And clearly other narratives have been put in front of me - look at this thread. None of it is backed up with anything but words except by me. Like, I literally sourced the Chinese government for stuff, but please tell me how me asking for somebody else to put a modicum of work into backing up what they believe is my problem.

I’m not being adamant and I don’t hold that opinion. That’s why I’m asking for sources.

Until told otherwise, I hold that it’s just as bad as every other system. None are good, just different.

What do you think “shared stewardship of the land” means?

Awesome! Do you have another source for the pilot? I expect it’s all in Mandarin and I am terrible at finding things in other languages.

OK, do you have a source for the 90% home ownership rate?

That’s not backing it up, that’s saying “nu uh” in an echo chamber.

Do better. Cause I actually want proof. Like, please, give me proof it’s better.

Yeah, this may be splitting hairs. It seems to me that the Chinese and “western” systems are more similar than different.

Typically 70 for residential and less for commercial/industrial use.

If they have to pay to renew the lease, that’s is a kind of property tax, especially if an individual has to compete to buy their own lease. This may or may not be the case.

There are also ostensibly value-added taxes and land appreciation taxes but I’ll admit those are not property taxes per se.

There is also this source that says that select cities such as Shanghai and Chongqing have pilot programs for property tax primarily targeted at high-value residential properties and secondary homes but they don’t have any sources, so I have no clue if it’s true.

It does? Do you have anything to back up that claim?

Every government does, that’s no “gotcha”.

The US did and does it.

China did it with 1.3 million people to build a dam.

Russia is doing it in Ukraine.

There’s a genocide in Sudan.

Doesn’t make it any of the instances right.

Then the government “owns” the land. Doing something like the tree that owns itself except with all land would be even better, assuming people respect the laws. My vision would be more of a shared stewardship of the land rather than a drive to exploit it.

If they have to pay to renew the lease, that’s is a kind of property tax, especially if an individual has to compete to buy their own lease. This may or may not be the case.

As well, as long as property tax is paid it means the land can be held indefinitely. In the current systems, this is preferable. This is versus the land lease method where, if they don’t renew the lease because you forgot or somebody is pissed off at you in the government, ejection could be automatic.

There are also ostensibly value-added taxes and land appreciation taxes but I’ll admit those are not property taxes per se.

There is also this source that says that select cities such as Shanghai and Chongqing have pilot programs for property tax primarily targeted at high-value residential properties and secondary homes but they don’t have any sources, so I have no clue if it’s true.

That’s incorrect.

Indigenous people as a general idea did not believe that land could be owned by an individual due to viewing the Earth as one’s relative, requiring respect and care, as are all the animals and plant life the land supports. Judeo-Christian religions, likely along with many other religions that I haven’t studied from Eurasia and Africa, view land as being able to be subjugated like cattle or sheep.

This is unlikely to change until climate change and its disasters convince people that they need to actually take care of the earth.

Isn’t the land underneath the house never owned by the person, always the state? So while they may “own” the structure, it’s always in doubt of whether they will be able to lease the land again after the current lease expires.

No, because Trump doesn’t have that power, weirdly enough. However, they’re getting around it by using it as a nickname that just happens to be plastered all over their logo/seal.