Zelenskyy didn’t cancel elections, though. They’re legally forbidden in Ukraine during martial law, which is only still in effect because Russia is still invading. If anyone canceled Ukrainian elections, it’s Putin because the choice for Ukraine was either submit and lose elections permanently or resist and enact martial law, losing them temporarily.
Oh well since he had a reason to suspend elections indefinitely and it was legal for him to do so… Nothing at all wrong with that. That’s not textbook dictatorship shit or anything.
Just like how it was legal for him to make a bunch of opposition parties illegal. Since it was legal there’s no issue at all.
Zelenskyy doesn’t get a say in whether or not there are elections. It is not his decision. It’s the Ukrainian constitution.
He also didn’t personally ban the political parties. A national defense council or something like that, I forget the name, made the decision. And the decision only lasts while they’re under martial law. And it’s parties with ties to Russia, the country actively invading them. Boo fucking hoo, the invader’s allies are restricted.
Ah yes because the only way one can influence politics is by directly making the decision.
A national defense council or something like that, I forget the name, made the decision. And the decision only lasts while they’re under martial law.
Oh well since it’s legal and they have to do it due to martial law I guess their hands are twisted. Such unfortunate circumstances really.
And it’s parties with ties to Russia, the country actively invading them. Boo fucking hoo, the invader’s allies are restricted.
I personally think it is a bad thing when habeas corpus gets dissolved. I think it’s a bad thing when you get arrested because the government does not like who you associate with. Even if my government were to think my associates are undesirables. But that’s just me, thinking you should be free to do stuff like talk to people. Or write in Russian. Or speak russian. Or vote. Or at least vote in the regions that aren’t actively invaded, which is part of the whole martial law thing. But that’s just me, thinking people should have their democratic rights protected. I suppose if you’re a fascist you think it’s awesome when ethnic minorities get persecuted, the freedom of assembly gets destroyed, the right to vote, the right to speak out and so many other rights get suppressed, is awesome. Especially since it’s legal to do. It’s not like governments ever lie or anything, it’s not like there’s any reason to doubt their motives, it’s not like the political parties that get targeted are very conveniently the ones in opposition. It’s not like politicians ever try to construct a narrative about what they do.
In fact I remember when Putin invaded he said word for word “I am invading Ukraine. I don’t care what people think. I do this because I am evil, I want to make Russia bigger and I am jealous of zelensky. I order this personally and in spite of the popular will.” That’s how it works after all. These guys can’t lie, so he must’ve said that.
I’ve got my dunks in, so I’m gonna block you now, since it’s obvious you’re too thickheaded to understand what is being told.
Yeah, not every nation wants to deal with securing elections in an active war zone, especially against an opponent heavily incentivized and willing to put their thumb on the scale however they can.
Sorry you’re not allowed to have a democracy because someone might try to convince you to vote against me.
I can’t believe you’re genuinely this unimaginative. Do you really think Russia would limit themselves to propaganda? Do you think Russia respects the democratic process enough to not interfere in an election where getting the right leader might mean submission, annexation, and victory? The same Russia that was the origin for multiple bomb threats on polling locations during the US 2024 election? The same Russia that’s constantly fraught with internal accusations of election fraud? That Russia?
I mean… If the election has a really high chance of not genuinely reflecting the will of the people because an outside force is guaranteed to attempt to interfere with the election… Yeah, it’s kinda not the time because you’re going to choose based on the will of the invader, not the will of the people.
If you cared about the will of the people you wouldn’t have violently overthrown their government and installed a regime of literal nazis to murder and suppress the population you pretend to weep for.
But then again if you cared about the people of Ukraine AT ALL you wouldn’t be okay with them living under a nazi regime LET ALONE happily giving those nazis absolute power to decide when and if they ever give up absolute power.
So like all right wingers, I have to wonder. Where are you on the evil/stupid continuum? Do you espouse your views because you are fully self aware as a devoted nazi partisan? Or are you tied for the dumbest person to have ever lived?
I’ve seen a lot of claims of Nazis in Ukraine, and to be totally fair, there have been pictures of disturbing large groups around symbols, but nobody ever seems able to muster any genuine evidence there’s a systemic problem. Everything anyone has ever been able to show me has attempted to make big leaps to stretch scant evidence into more than it is. I’m open to being proven wrong, but the last several times I offered the chance, I got the same load of half assed bullshit. I’ve tried several times to give the claim a chance, but it increasingly sounds like a tiny grain of truth blown up into a mountain of Russian butthurt.
This is hilarious especially when it comes to Ukraine. History began in 2022 I guess.
It’s also funny with Russia lmao. Yeah it’s definitely the russians that are the issue when it comes to election interference lmao.
Russia is clearly after the Donbass, not all of Ukraine. Elections will persist even after the almost certain conclusion, that being full annexing of the 4 oblasts. This is the sensible outcome, considering western Ukraine coup’d the president supported by the Donbass region in a Banderite takeover:
Since the Banderite coup in 2014, Ukraine has been in a civil war where Kiev has been ethnically cleansing the Donbass region. The Minsk agreements were both tanked by Ukraine and the west, meaning diplomatic solutions to the Civil War were tried, and failed.
If Russia is clearly only after the Donbass, why did it try to quickly force an end to the war before thousands of people died and a bunch of infrastructure was destroyed? Truly a conundrum.
They didn’t seriously try to take the capital, and even if by miracle they did, the purpose is to end the war then and there. Right now they are focusing on attrition, wearing Ukraine down slowly.
Are you referring to Kiev shelling civilians in the Donbass region for 8 years, prompting Russia’s entry into the war? Also, no clue why you’re calling me Mr. Gorsky, are you accusing me of being Russian just because I think the people in Donetsk and Luhansk are human?
fuelled by the inflow of foreign fighters and weapons from the Russian Federation, accounts for the majority of violations of the right to life in Ukraine over the last two years
On April 12th 2014, a Russian citizen and FSB undercover officer Igor Strelkov led a group of Russian soldiers to take over Slov’yansk. Before that he was participating in annexation of Crimea which also leg to killings and torture of Ukrainian and Crimean tatar civilians and activists. He was later supported by regular Russian troops.
Since 2022 Russian aggression destroyed hundreds of cities and towns, including but not limited to Bakhmut, Mariupol, Avdiivka, Vuhledar, Soledar, Popasna. They forced mobilisation of local civilians which lead to death of est. 20-25 thousands of forcefully mobilized civilians. How about morning them and not a fantasy of a report you can’t comprehend starting from the opening.
No I think they would and did use it to apply political pressure and relieve military pressure from other fronts by drawing enemy reserves. “Trade it for the Donbas” what are you nine?
My point is that Russia definitely wanted it, and they definitely wouldn’t have come off of it if they conquered it. Pretending it was just a feint or that they didn’t really want the capital is just whitewashing Russia’s war of conquest.
This is you deciding what you want to be true in the face of all evidence to the contrary to preserve the very simplistic good guys/bad guys narrative you prefer.
Zelenskyy didn’t cancel elections, though. They’re legally forbidden in Ukraine during martial law, which is only still in effect because Russia is still invading. If anyone canceled Ukrainian elections, it’s Putin because the choice for Ukraine was either submit and lose elections permanently or resist and enact martial law, losing them temporarily.
Oh well since he had a reason to suspend elections indefinitely and it was legal for him to do so… Nothing at all wrong with that. That’s not textbook dictatorship shit or anything.
Just like how it was legal for him to make a bunch of opposition parties illegal. Since it was legal there’s no issue at all.
Zelenskyy doesn’t get a say in whether or not there are elections. It is not his decision. It’s the Ukrainian constitution.
He also didn’t personally ban the political parties. A national defense council or something like that, I forget the name, made the decision. And the decision only lasts while they’re under martial law. And it’s parties with ties to Russia, the country actively invading them. Boo fucking hoo, the invader’s allies are restricted.
So… Nothing you said was accurate. At all.
Ah yes because the only way one can influence politics is by directly making the decision.
Oh well since it’s legal and they have to do it due to martial law I guess their hands are twisted. Such unfortunate circumstances really.
I personally think it is a bad thing when habeas corpus gets dissolved. I think it’s a bad thing when you get arrested because the government does not like who you associate with. Even if my government were to think my associates are undesirables. But that’s just me, thinking you should be free to do stuff like talk to people. Or write in Russian. Or speak russian. Or vote. Or at least vote in the regions that aren’t actively invaded, which is part of the whole martial law thing. But that’s just me, thinking people should have their democratic rights protected. I suppose if you’re a fascist you think it’s awesome when ethnic minorities get persecuted, the freedom of assembly gets destroyed, the right to vote, the right to speak out and so many other rights get suppressed, is awesome. Especially since it’s legal to do. It’s not like governments ever lie or anything, it’s not like there’s any reason to doubt their motives, it’s not like the political parties that get targeted are very conveniently the ones in opposition. It’s not like politicians ever try to construct a narrative about what they do.
In fact I remember when Putin invaded he said word for word “I am invading Ukraine. I don’t care what people think. I do this because I am evil, I want to make Russia bigger and I am jealous of zelensky. I order this personally and in spite of the popular will.” That’s how it works after all. These guys can’t lie, so he must’ve said that.
I’ve got my dunks in, so I’m gonna block you now, since it’s obvious you’re too thickheaded to understand what is being told.
Yeah, not every nation wants to deal with securing elections in an active war zone, especially against an opponent heavily incentivized and willing to put their thumb on the scale however they can.
Yeah not every nation wants to do that. Some nations are fascist dictatorships.
Put that right next to ‘two things can be true at once’ in the library of trying to conjure thoughts from nothing but pure passive voice.
Sorry you’re not allowed to have a democracy because someone might try to convince you to vote against me.
Love me, I’m a liberal.
I can’t believe you’re genuinely this unimaginative. Do you really think Russia would limit themselves to propaganda? Do you think Russia respects the democratic process enough to not interfere in an election where getting the right leader might mean submission, annexation, and victory? The same Russia that was the origin for multiple bomb threats on polling locations during the US 2024 election? The same Russia that’s constantly fraught with internal accusations of election fraud? That Russia?
And that’s why democracy is for another time.
I mean… If the election has a really high chance of not genuinely reflecting the will of the people because an outside force is guaranteed to attempt to interfere with the election… Yeah, it’s kinda not the time because you’re going to choose based on the will of the invader, not the will of the people.
If you cared about the will of the people you wouldn’t have violently overthrown their government and installed a regime of literal nazis to murder and suppress the population you pretend to weep for.
But then again if you cared about the people of Ukraine AT ALL you wouldn’t be okay with them living under a nazi regime LET ALONE happily giving those nazis absolute power to decide when and if they ever give up absolute power.
So like all right wingers, I have to wonder. Where are you on the evil/stupid continuum? Do you espouse your views because you are fully self aware as a devoted nazi partisan? Or are you tied for the dumbest person to have ever lived?
I’ve seen a lot of claims of Nazis in Ukraine, and to be totally fair, there have been pictures of disturbing large groups around symbols, but nobody ever seems able to muster any genuine evidence there’s a systemic problem. Everything anyone has ever been able to show me has attempted to make big leaps to stretch scant evidence into more than it is. I’m open to being proven wrong, but the last several times I offered the chance, I got the same load of half assed bullshit. I’ve tried several times to give the claim a chance, but it increasingly sounds like a tiny grain of truth blown up into a mountain of Russian butthurt.
This is hilarious especially when it comes to Ukraine. History began in 2022 I guess.
It’s also funny with Russia lmao. Yeah it’s definitely the russians that are the issue when it comes to election interference lmao.
Russia is clearly after the Donbass, not all of Ukraine. Elections will persist even after the almost certain conclusion, that being full annexing of the 4 oblasts. This is the sensible outcome, considering western Ukraine coup’d the president supported by the Donbass region in a Banderite takeover:
Since the Banderite coup in 2014, Ukraine has been in a civil war where Kiev has been ethnically cleansing the Donbass region. The Minsk agreements were both tanked by Ukraine and the west, meaning diplomatic solutions to the Civil War were tried, and failed.
If Russia is clearly only after Donbass, why did they open by trying to seize the capital?
If Russia is clearly only after the Donbass, why did it try to quickly force an end to the war before thousands of people died and a bunch of infrastructure was destroyed? Truly a conundrum.
They didn’t seriously try to take the capital, and even if by miracle they did, the purpose is to end the war then and there. Right now they are focusing on attrition, wearing Ukraine down slowly.
If it is so, why are they bombing and loosing personnel in Sumy or Kharkiv?
Do you think in war you only attack what you directly plan on taking?
?? Even amnesty has noted that Russia is the ones to make civilian escape corridors from areas under siege, while Ukraine shells them.
What western propaganda does to an MF. Get out of the echo chamber.
Are you referring to Kiev shelling civilians in the Donbass region for 8 years, prompting Russia’s entry into the war? Also, no clue why you’re calling me Mr. Gorsky, are you accusing me of being Russian just because I think the people in Donetsk and Luhansk are human?
On April 12th 2014, a Russian citizen and FSB undercover officer Igor Strelkov led a group of Russian soldiers to take over Slov’yansk. Before that he was participating in annexation of Crimea which also leg to killings and torture of Ukrainian and Crimean tatar civilians and activists. He was later supported by regular Russian troops.
Since 2022 Russian aggression destroyed hundreds of cities and towns, including but not limited to Bakhmut, Mariupol, Avdiivka, Vuhledar, Soledar, Popasna. They forced mobilisation of local civilians which lead to death of est. 20-25 thousands of forcefully mobilized civilians. How about morning them and not a fantasy of a report you can’t comprehend starting from the opening.
Leverage my man
And you think Russia would have just traded it back for Donbass? Lol. Lmao, even.
No I think they would and did use it to apply political pressure and relieve military pressure from other fronts by drawing enemy reserves. “Trade it for the Donbas” what are you nine?
My point is that Russia definitely wanted it, and they definitely wouldn’t have come off of it if they conquered it. Pretending it was just a feint or that they didn’t really want the capital is just whitewashing Russia’s war of conquest.
This is you deciding what you want to be true in the face of all evidence to the contrary to preserve the very simplistic good guys/bad guys narrative you prefer.
lmao okay