• Marxism-Fennekinism@lemmy.ml
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    “Did people in the USSR hate their governments?” - https://dessalines.github.io/essays/socialism_faq.html#did-the-citizens-of-the-soviet-union-dislike-their-government

    “Did the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact countries have functioning democracies?” - https://dessalines.github.io/essays/socialism_faq.html#did-the-soviet-union-and-the-warsaw-pact-nations-have-functioning-democracies

    It’s also interesting how people who’s 50, who would have been around 18 when the USSR collapsed or their country seceeded and would have spent their entire adulthood and potentially a part of their teenhood bearing the shockwaves rocking every part of their country under the newly established capitalism (their supposed liberation and salvation and who their new governments claimed would fix literally everything and make them not miserable anymore) that nearly destroyed plenty of Eastern European countries, are overwhelmingly against the USSR, but the trend goes to far more favorable of the USSR the older you get. I’m sure it’s just nostalgia though, the oldest people are just behind on the times and their opinions don’t count.

    Edit: I fixed a miscalculation I made regarding how old people were when the USSR collapsed. My bad.

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      The USSR collapsed in 1991 so you would be 18 then if you’re 50 now. It very much depends on where in the USSR you were, the countries resisting their imperialism got the worse of it. In the baltics most older folks lost family or friends to the occupation so their views on it aren’t actually favourable, especially if they remember the time before occupation.

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      The economically left in Russia are also socially conservative (unlike in most western countries).

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      Would Chinese people tell you they hate their government? Is Chinese authoritarianism a good thing just because the people within China don’t complain?

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      Here there is a cesspit of inexperienced communists. That means you are dreaming of something written in books or explained by other dreamers but haven’t yourself experience the “superior” lifestyle of the “new man”.

      I haven’t read all the links in detail but at least the statistics concerning my country are total bullshit. They aren’t faked but the results are misrepresented in a more perverse and I dare to say “comunist way” (meaning the same practices that dominated my country and society for 45 years).

      L.E.: it seems my comment hit a sensitive spot. Thank you!

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        Do you think your silly comments serve a purpose besides to make you appear foolish?

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              I just like short circuiting auth scumbags who worship dictators. Tankies and fascists are two sides of the same coin, after all.

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                I think the only one who is short circuiting is yourself. You make no sense and sprout nonsense

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                    As I said, go back to your Fox News. You use the term tankie unironically so if you think that any normal person cares what you have to say, I mean, I don’t think I even have a response to that

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              “Everything I don’t like is holocaust denial: a dishonest child’s guide to political slander”

              Stalin also committed genocide, and he killed even more of his own people than Hitler did. He was also Hitler’s ally until he was betrayed by that ally. Tankies and fascists are two rotten peas in the same pod.

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                Are you calling a mainstream Jewish holocaust scholar a dishonest child doing political slander?

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                  If he’s saying that criticism of the USSR is holocaust denial, that is the camp he’s placing himself into.

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                    He isn’t saying that though, he is saying equating communists and fascists holocaust trivialization.

                    Equating and criticizing aren’t the same thing. You’re equating.

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                Stalin did none of that. Perhaps try reading a fucking book. Stalin signed a treaty with Hitler, just like all the countries in Western Europe. The difference is that Stalin first tried to get the Western European countries to ally against Hitler. They refused of course, because they love their fascism. Equating Stalin to Hitler is very fascist behavior.