Got bombarded with hate when I said a solution to Nazis isnt to kill Nazis lol the left are just as unhinged as the right. Most Americans are mentally ill because they can’t afford to see a therapist.
The united states has the largest prisoner population in the world, wherein slave labor is legal and people are forced to work for pittances. The population of the US prisons is outsizedly black, latino and other minority groups. These work-camps have a high rate of death, as well as abuse.
Ah damn I didn’t know we were doing vibes-based facts, my bad. I feel as though the united states has the largest prisoner population in the world, wherein slave labor is legal and people are forced to work for pittances. The population of the US prisons is outsizedly black, latino and other minority groups. These work-camps have a high rate of death, as well as abuse.
Sounds like the United States is a third world country with a bunch of issues that they project onto the rest of the world which they seem to think they’re the center of.
Your point was that there were no camps, and I’ve now illustrated how there is. If you need another examples you can also look towards the Moria Refugee camp. It is odd to me how you keep retreating to “it’s not about the US”. What is it about then?
You’re hilarious, glossing over the 2nd half of that comment with some sort of gotcha, I absolutely love it. Are you denying this is the least racist and most peaceful time period in history?
The person who assumes the nationality of their interlocutors, despite clear evidence to the contrary, and who assumes, despite all readily available evidence in linked articles, that Atomwaffen and The Base are purely-US phenomena is objecting to the fact that I assumed that they typed out a written comment.
You really don’t have any capacity for humility, do you?
Can’t get whiplash if your head is empty *taps forehead*
The poste is about the Nazis - the people that made use of concentration camps in order to perpetrate q genocide. How is this not relevant to a discussion about nazis?
After taking some serious time to think, I agree with you. It’s just absurd that anyone can advocate for killing Nazis. The Soviet orcs should have stormed Auschwitz and hugged the guards and scientists and said, “I forgive you, comrade.” The monsters even made poor Adolf commit suicide instead of advocating for self care.
American History X is probably not the best de-Nazifying material but I do agree that in a perfect world, forcibly reeducating them is a more ideal solution, and in certain situations maiming or even just punching can work as a short-term solution.
It’s not so much about hate as it is about defending ourselves and protecting the people who their continued existence is a constant threat towards. Though the hate doesn’t hurt.
Some of us don’t have the luxury of waiting for a perfect solution. In the meantime, Bash The Fash
Reeducation is for peace time, after winning and substantially changing the system. Sure, right now you may be able to change individual minds. I’m sure many here started off as some reactionary, I know I certainly did. But the problem is that the institutions with power and influence and the condition that created Nazis are still present and PROMOTED by society.
It’s the equivalent of Planet Fitness. Will some members become very fit and very healthy? Absolutely, with the right program and discipline, they can achieve that anywhere. But when you discourage advanced training, fill the gym with ineffective machines made by conmen, and feed everyone pizza, the majority will continue to stay unfit and unhealthy.
People here are getting you to complain and outting yourself as a future collaborator. So I’d say it’s a job well done given the limited nature of online activities
If people are organising and doing direct action in their irl lives, they sure as hell aren’t going to be bragging about it online to impress a pearl-clutching lib who disapproves of direct action because “hate perpetuates hate”.
Just because you aren’t personally doing anything about the threat of fascists and just because you find the American History X message to be poignant and compelling doesn’t mean that this applies universally to everyone else in the world. You’re just telling on yourself by adopting this attitude, at least to the people who are engaged in activism.
maybe make them watch American History X or something
Hahahahahahaha okay now I’m convinced this must be a bit. Nothing like some ed Norton to cure racism. Why not make them watch 21 Jump Street, after all it cured Kanye of antisemitism
Someone was asking us yesterday why we hate liberals, this response right here encapsulates just about every reason we hate liberals
You’re suggesting rounding them up for re-education. We suggest that all the time, and yet when we suggest it you call us monsters.
The time for re-education was 10 years ago though. There are far too many fascists now and they are embedded in far too many institutions, the inevitable outcome is already decided and the only pathway out down the line will be violent.
Well we’d hope the solution for Nazis is we only threaten to kill them first, before they get powerful enough to start organizing. And if they surrender and submit peacefully to re-education, maybe that’s ok in some rare instances
If they’re already organized I suggest cluster munitions or have them lined up against a nice brick wall
“Well what if it was actually something different huh? Didn’t think about that, did ya?” )
Being a nazi, as opposed to black or jewish, is an ideological choice and not a question of race. That choice is a choice were you decide to pursue violent means in order to exterminate those of other races. Do you think a person pursuing genocide should be stopped? If you do, what do you propose should happen when they oppose being stopped?
If you grew up in a racist household and that’s all you knew, is that still your fault? I’m genuinely asking what you think about a child that’s been indoctrinated into that lifestyle.
i mean it’s basically a trolley problem. whether or not we blame someone who was born into naziism, at some point we have to stop them before they hurt others. and if the nazis are armed and organized, we start running out of peaceful ways to stop them.
It’s not that persons fault at all, but I think you’re making a mistake here in making a systemic question into an individual. We can recognize that no person is inherently “evil” (though I hate to use that word, I’m just lacking for words), but also recognize that the person is a member of an ideological group that is, and as long as the person is a member of said group, they’re opposed due to the fact that they are working towards genociding minorities.
I will respond to you with what I said to another person regarding whether we should have sympathy for southern slaveowners
And yeah maybe they were raised that way, propagandized that way, never had a chance to form differing opinions - I don’t care. At one point they were upholding slavery and maintaining it, and I’m not going to be gentle with them while Black people were being worked to death, killed, beaten, and kept in bondage through their actions.
No one is born a nazi. You choose to be a nazi because you’re a hateful bigot and you can choose to stop being a nazi. Saying it’s wrong to punish/forcefully reform nazis is like saying it’s wrong to punish child predators
I love how you all hide behind whataboutism, you all have the exact same reaction which is absolutely hilarious to me. It’s all choreographed like a certain “group” y’all hate 😭
You’re talking about the Nazis which were the people that perpetrated the holocaust. We think it was good to use violence, you seem to think otherwise. What did you think should’ve been done to stop the holocaust?
You’re talking about the Nazis. Your post was about nazis, people are responding talking about nazis. The discussion is clearly about nazis, which comes as a result of you framing the discussion about nazis. If you didn’t want it to be about nazis, but I stead your perception that leftists label political opponents “nazi” as a way to otherize them and justify political violence, then you should’ve argued that point instead.
Do better, learn what words mean.
Oh I’m absolutely defending Nazis here, I’m glad your reading comprehension is on point. I’m sure because I had a different opinion than you, I’m a nazi, correct?
You’re doing the dumb liberal thing where you say you “oppose” fascism, but when the Nazis are at the door you’re yelling “oh no please don’t be mean to the Nazis!” because of some weird civility fetish
I’m honestly extremely jealous of you. Like, I have to admit it. This degree of ignorance must truly be a level of blissfulness that I cannot even imagine. I honestly think that’s what it comes down to, we’re all just jealous of your ignorance
The left right comparison is stupid, I dont believe in the death penalty but people like you usually don’t understand that you can’t fight intolerance with tolerance and that’s plain stupid!
There were all kinds of opinions in that discussion and only a tiny minority or only the op held this point of view (which was called for being unpopular). I hope my assumptions aren’t off.
Got bombarded with hate when I said a solution to Nazis isnt to kill Nazis lol the left are just as unhinged as the right. Most Americans are mentally ill because they can’t afford to see a therapist.
Yeah we should have debated them during barbarossa. We should have had a civil discussion about human rights in Auschwitz.
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Yeah because we are living in a time of concentration camps… and not the most peaceful, least racist time period of history… get lost lol
The united states has the largest prisoner population in the world, wherein slave labor is legal and people are forced to work for pittances. The population of the US prisons is outsizedly black, latino and other minority groups. These work-camps have a high rate of death, as well as abuse.
Thought America was the land of the free so that can not be true buddy.
Ah damn I didn’t know we were doing vibes-based facts, my bad. I feel as though the united states has the largest prisoner population in the world, wherein slave labor is legal and people are forced to work for pittances. The population of the US prisons is outsizedly black, latino and other minority groups. These work-camps have a high rate of death, as well as abuse.
Sounds like the United States is a third world country with a bunch of issues that they project onto the rest of the world which they seem to think they’re the center of.
Your point was that there were no camps, and I’ve now illustrated how there is. If you need another examples you can also look towards the Moria Refugee camp. It is odd to me how you keep retreating to “it’s not about the US”. What is it about then?
You’re hilarious, glossing over the 2nd half of that comment with some sort of gotcha, I absolutely love it. Are you denying this is the least racist and most peaceful time period in history?
Yes
Are there not concentration camps on the US border? Does Australia not run concentration camps?
What is this “not living in the time of concentration camps” that you’re referring to and when did this era begin?
Sounds about America
Bro, did you get whiplash typing that comment out?
I use voice dictation so I didn’t type anything out
The person who assumes the nationality of their interlocutors, despite clear evidence to the contrary, and who assumes, despite all readily available evidence in linked articles, that Atomwaffen and The Base are purely-US phenomena is objecting to the fact that I assumed that they typed out a written comment.
You really don’t have any capacity for humility, do you?
Can’t get whiplash if your head is empty *taps forehead*
The poste is about the Nazis - the people that made use of concentration camps in order to perpetrate q genocide. How is this not relevant to a discussion about nazis?
That’s a spicy holocaust trivialization
Started reading, got to the part where it mentioned Trump and America and exited out. Not everything revolves around you guys.
Congrats I guess? It mostly focuses on eastern europe.
Lol your other comment in a seperate subthread
You not reading explains a lot
After taking some serious time to think, I agree with you. It’s just absurd that anyone can advocate for killing Nazis. The Soviet orcs should have stormed Auschwitz and hugged the guards and scientists and said, “I forgive you, comrade.” The monsters even made poor Adolf commit suicide instead of advocating for self care.
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That’s exactly what I said, I’m glad you got it.
It’s the logical conclusion.
How could I miss it? You spelled it out for us
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Not to line them all up against a wall and shoot them.
Maybe make them watch American history X or something, fuck do I know but a solution to hate isn’t more hate.
We should try to reform them by giving them gainful employment.
To this end, I suggest we put tons of them in major positions of power. You know, like America did after the war.
American History X is probably not the best de-Nazifying material but I do agree that in a perfect world, forcibly reeducating them is a more ideal solution, and in certain situations maiming or even just punching can work as a short-term solution.
It’s not so much about hate as it is about defending ourselves and protecting the people who their continued existence is a constant threat towards. Though the hate doesn’t hurt.
Some of us don’t have the luxury of waiting for a perfect solution. In the meantime, Bash The Fash
Lining up defeated Nazis in the community rec center, rolling out an old CRT TV, and showing them the Green Book lmao.
They’ll be begging for the wall in no time.
Make them all attend sensitivity training
Reeducation is for peace time, after winning and substantially changing the system. Sure, right now you may be able to change individual minds. I’m sure many here started off as some reactionary, I know I certainly did. But the problem is that the institutions with power and influence and the condition that created Nazis are still present and PROMOTED by society.
It’s the equivalent of Planet Fitness. Will some members become very fit and very healthy? Absolutely, with the right program and discipline, they can achieve that anywhere. But when you discourage advanced training, fill the gym with ineffective machines made by conmen, and feed everyone pizza, the majority will continue to stay unfit and unhealthy.
That’s why I said “in a perfect world,” also I thought it was funny
The solution to stopping the Nazi war machine is to get them all to watch a movie.
Do you have access to some type of time teleportation device, where do you see a Nazi war machine 😭
the best time to treat cancer is early, before it metastasizes and becomes inoperable
I had to bring down my dictionary from my shelf and find metastasizes, cool word
Well, at least you’re learning something today, despite your best efforts not to.
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I’m sure you’re doing much combat behind the keyboard brother, hoorah
People here are getting you to complain and outting yourself as a future collaborator. So I’d say it’s a job well done given the limited nature of online activities
They’d definitely rat on a Jewish neighbour, if this comment thread is anything to go by.
Hahahaha, this gave me a good belly laugh in the morning. Yes I’m a Nazi!!! Hahahahaha
This is such a fedbait thing to say.
If people are organising and doing direct action in their irl lives, they sure as hell aren’t going to be bragging about it online to impress a pearl-clutching lib who disapproves of direct action because “hate perpetuates hate”.
Just because you aren’t personally doing anything about the threat of fascists and just because you find the American History X message to be poignant and compelling doesn’t mean that this applies universally to everyone else in the world. You’re just telling on yourself by adopting this attitude, at least to the people who are engaged in activism.
What threat of fascists? xD
Are you so insular in your outlook that you literally don’t believe that there are any fascists organising in your own country?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Base_(hate_group)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomwaffen_Division
Again, US problems you’re projecting onto the rest of the world. Not everything revolves around your country.
Hahahahahahaha okay now I’m convinced this must be a bit. Nothing like some ed Norton to cure racism. Why not make them watch 21 Jump Street, after all it cured Kanye of antisemitism
Someone was asking us yesterday why we hate liberals, this response right here encapsulates just about every reason we hate liberals
You hate liberals because you live in America and are mentally ill.
It’s because I can’t afford a therapist
I know… You’re American.
Hell yeah 👍 now that’s what I’m talking about ⚒️
My dad was a neonazi and he loved watching American History X because he enjoyed the representation of his beliefs up on the silver screen.
He was entirely immune to and ignorant of the moralising that underpinned the denouement of the film.
You’re suggesting rounding them up for re-education. We suggest that all the time, and yet when we suggest it you call us monsters.
The time for re-education was 10 years ago though. There are far too many fascists now and they are embedded in far too many institutions, the inevitable outcome is already decided and the only pathway out down the line will be violent.
Well we’d hope the solution for Nazis is we only threaten to kill them first, before they get powerful enough to start organizing. And if they surrender and submit peacefully to re-education, maybe that’s ok in some rare instances
If they’re already organized I suggest cluster munitions or have them lined up against a nice brick wall
I can’t 😭😭😭 imagine that talk but about blacks or Jews hahaha y’all are unhinged
“Well what if it was actually something different huh? Didn’t think about that, did ya?”
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Being a nazi, as opposed to black or jewish, is an ideological choice and not a question of race. That choice is a choice were you decide to pursue violent means in order to exterminate those of other races. Do you think a person pursuing genocide should be stopped? If you do, what do you propose should happen when they oppose being stopped?
If you grew up in a racist household and that’s all you knew, is that still your fault? I’m genuinely asking what you think about a child that’s been indoctrinated into that lifestyle.
i mean it’s basically a trolley problem. whether or not we blame someone who was born into naziism, at some point we have to stop them before they hurt others. and if the nazis are armed and organized, we start running out of peaceful ways to stop them.
It’s not that persons fault at all, but I think you’re making a mistake here in making a systemic question into an individual. We can recognize that no person is inherently “evil” (though I hate to use that word, I’m just lacking for words), but also recognize that the person is a member of an ideological group that is, and as long as the person is a member of said group, they’re opposed due to the fact that they are working towards genociding minorities.
“I was just raised to kill Jews im an innocent wholesome bean”
Yeah that’s bullshit. Stop making up nonsense
You’re right, let’s round all the “nazis” up and shoot them.
So you think we shouldn’t have fought the Nazis? You still won’t answer the question
If I’m raised in a cult and taught all my life to hunt and kill you is that ok with you because it’s not my fault that I was born into that situation?
I will respond to you with what I said to another person regarding whether we should have sympathy for southern slaveowners
Just responding with a screenshot so you can never remove the evidence that you said something so dumb
this gave me a good chuckle, thank you for that bud
Wow I just got pwned!
No one is born a nazi. You choose to be a nazi because you’re a hateful bigot and you can choose to stop being a nazi. Saying it’s wrong to punish/forcefully reform nazis is like saying it’s wrong to punish child predators
Hahahahahahaha “uhh what if you replaced this one word with a completely different word? Not so smart now huh” lol you’re a joke
I love how you all hide behind whataboutism, you all have the exact same reaction which is absolutely hilarious to me. It’s all choreographed like a certain “group” y’all hate 😭
You literally cannot stop with the “see these two different things? They’re actually the same.” It all seems very choreographed 👀
How is it different to say a group of people who believe in a certain thing should all be exterminated, isn’t that what Nazis also want?
Nazis: kill people
The Allies in WWII: killed people
Ergo, the Allies were literally Nazis. QED 🤓🤓
You’re right, let’s round up all the “Nazis” and shoot them in the back of the head.
What is it that Nazis believe?
The manson family all believed a certain thing. Should we have let them go free?
That’s not what whataboutism even refers to. Your fallacy-brained nonsense is blinding you to the strawman argument you just made.
Should we have NOT invaded Nazi Germany and stopped the holocaust?
Was that a bad thing in your mind? Honestly confused . Killing Nazis was necessary.
Is there a holocaust going on right now?
You’re talking about the Nazis which were the people that perpetrated the holocaust. We think it was good to use violence, you seem to think otherwise. What did you think should’ve been done to stop the holocaust?
I’m talking about the people you call “nazis”, the Nazi party doesn’t exist
You’re talking about the Nazis. Your post was about nazis, people are responding talking about nazis. The discussion is clearly about nazis, which comes as a result of you framing the discussion about nazis. If you didn’t want it to be about nazis, but I stead your perception that leftists label political opponents “nazi” as a way to otherize them and justify political violence, then you should’ve argued that point instead.
Do better, learn what words mean.
And answer the question
Is that a threat?
Yeah you usually get bombarded with hate when you announce you’re a nazi
How could I forget, anyone who has a different opinion or view than you is a Nazi, very good.
If you’re defending Nazis I have to wonder
Oh I’m absolutely defending Nazis here, I’m glad your reading comprehension is on point. I’m sure because I had a different opinion than you, I’m a nazi, correct?
You’re doing the dumb liberal thing where you say you “oppose” fascism, but when the Nazis are at the door you’re yelling “oh no please don’t be mean to the Nazis!” because of some weird civility fetish
I think history illustrates very clearly what happens when these people who are anti-fascist in rhetoric alone are pushed into action end up doing
What is this from?
German Social Democracy and the Rise of Nazism by Donna Harsch (Page 237)
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I’m honestly extremely jealous of you. Like, I have to admit it. This degree of ignorance must truly be a level of blissfulness that I cannot even imagine. I honestly think that’s what it comes down to, we’re all just jealous of your ignorance
I love it so much, keep your guerilla war up man! I’m sure posting on lemmy and Reddit is doing a lot to keep these “nazis” at bay.
Are the “nazis” in the room with you right now?
Tell me where they touched you.
Libs and doing casual ableism, name a more iconic duo
Here’s one, x and D
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t. nazi
The left right comparison is stupid, I dont believe in the death penalty but people like you usually don’t understand that you can’t fight intolerance with tolerance and that’s plain stupid!
There were all kinds of opinions in that discussion and only a tiny minority or only the op held this point of view (which was called for being unpopular). I hope my assumptions aren’t off.
the solution to Nazis is to kill Nazis, actually.