I think the counter arguments from the reddit threads are pretty big points.
Good Battlefield plays like something different than the other major offerings. BF2, BC2 and BF4 are all modern military shooters but they “feel” way different than a CoD or Counterstrike or anything else.
The scale is important but so is the struggle of a tight pitched rush push with limited tickets left. Sure, a good pilot is a pain in the ass, but it’s part of what makes Battlefield work. Same with tanks. Man, Golmud and the fucking tanks…
Anyways, just because someone is paid to do something doesn’t mean they’re an expert in all the relative disciplines. I don’t really follow any streamers, but I do work in a pretty specialized industry and know that just because a peer and I are technically in the same field, what we bring to the table, how we approach problems and the way we implement solutions can be wildly different.
Don’t ask him the best strats for Quake 3 and don’t ask me anything about Counterstrike. Otherwise, you’ll be sadly disappointed and end up with a worse experience overall.
I’d like to believe Dice made the best call here, despite what a shit show BF2042’s launch was (even if basically every BF launch from 3 on has been fucked). They set the standard for rough launches years ago and yet every new release comes with doomsayers predicting the studio being closed and the game dying. Yet the reality is, they almost always, eventually get their shit together and patch things up to the way it should of been at launch. Just like most other major devs at this point.
If what you say is true, best case scenario, that suggests DICE has no idea who has the necessary expertise which is bad in its own right. Like… if someone paid 60 people to help design something/offer their two cents and then turns around and ignores every single one of them with the rationale that they dont have the expertise needed, that person’s judgement is still shit because by their own standards theyre terrible at recognizing who actually has the necessary skill set.
That’s assuming the person paying and the person receiving the input are the same people. Which in larger companies they most certainly are not.
Some manager or top-level “franchise designer” had the brilliant idea of asking streamers (of all utterly unsuited people!) for advise. Someone in the actual dev team then got all the input, and promptly decided that just asking a magic 8 ball would be far more useful and binned it. Sadly they did end up asking said ball, but eh, at least they ignored the streamer advise.
It not being the same 8 ball that Bushnell and those Atari guys consulted back in the day may be the greatest failure.
But in all honesty, I think that’s a great analogy. There’s no harm in bringing in competent consultation, but you have to choose wisely. This is more akin to a movie screening. It just so happened to be a test audience that has traditional been compensated for their opinions…
I think the counter arguments from the reddit threads are pretty big points.
Good Battlefield plays like something different than the other major offerings. BF2, BC2 and BF4 are all modern military shooters but they “feel” way different than a CoD or Counterstrike or anything else.
The scale is important but so is the struggle of a tight pitched rush push with limited tickets left. Sure, a good pilot is a pain in the ass, but it’s part of what makes Battlefield work. Same with tanks. Man, Golmud and the fucking tanks…
Anyways, just because someone is paid to do something doesn’t mean they’re an expert in all the relative disciplines. I don’t really follow any streamers, but I do work in a pretty specialized industry and know that just because a peer and I are technically in the same field, what we bring to the table, how we approach problems and the way we implement solutions can be wildly different.
Don’t ask him the best strats for Quake 3 and don’t ask me anything about Counterstrike. Otherwise, you’ll be sadly disappointed and end up with a worse experience overall.
I’d like to believe Dice made the best call here, despite what a shit show BF2042’s launch was (even if basically every BF launch from 3 on has been fucked). They set the standard for rough launches years ago and yet every new release comes with doomsayers predicting the studio being closed and the game dying. Yet the reality is, they almost always, eventually get their shit together and patch things up to the way it should of been at launch. Just like most other major devs at this point.
If what you say is true, best case scenario, that suggests DICE has no idea who has the necessary expertise which is bad in its own right. Like… if someone paid 60 people to help design something/offer their two cents and then turns around and ignores every single one of them with the rationale that they dont have the expertise needed, that person’s judgement is still shit because by their own standards theyre terrible at recognizing who actually has the necessary skill set.
That’s assuming the person paying and the person receiving the input are the same people. Which in larger companies they most certainly are not.
Some manager or top-level “franchise designer” had the brilliant idea of asking streamers (of all utterly unsuited people!) for advise. Someone in the actual dev team then got all the input, and promptly decided that just asking a magic 8 ball would be far more useful and binned it. Sadly they did end up asking said ball, but eh, at least they ignored the streamer advise.
It not being the same 8 ball that Bushnell and those Atari guys consulted back in the day may be the greatest failure.
But in all honesty, I think that’s a great analogy. There’s no harm in bringing in competent consultation, but you have to choose wisely. This is more akin to a movie screening. It just so happened to be a test audience that has traditional been compensated for their opinions…