Yeah I understand that, i just wanted to show the futility of such small choices while using an Android phone, using stock ROM and using all it’s online features, it’s like using Facebook but with names switched and posting those chains saying you don’t allow to use your photos, instead of just writing the platform, also he’s IT, not some 60yo aunty who just got the phone
Also it’s an Android related community, not !privacy or !grapheneos ffs
Often I find myself downvoted for comments suggesting cloud based or non-FOSS solutions, even in non privacy or FOSS related communities, while I’m a fan of open source and privacy, sometimes those are IMO still a better choice for a layman end user, I understand Lemmy people are more tech/privacy/FOSS oriented, but this it’s bordering with toxic zealotism
Also it’s an Android related community, not !privacy or !grapheneos ffs
Well firstly, this being an Android community doesn’t mean privacy is an off-limits topic.
And secondly, that’s irrelevant, seeing that he’s not the one posting here anyway.
And no, downvoting you because you mocked someone for not giving Google his address book, pretty much saying it brings his IT credentials into question, is not “toxic zealotism”.
I might have worded myself wrong because English isn’t my native language, but I’ve already said my intention wasn’t to mock his decision to guard his data by not explicitly giving them to Google but the meaninglessness of his way to do so.
Because by using an always connected Android phone with all other 3rd party spyware like Facebook etc. he’s already vulnerable, he’s using RCS for messaging, he’s being tracked on so many levels and already owned by corporations, at this point the manual contact sync has little to no sense especially it’s visibly harder for him to do it that way to the point he’s complaining about it.
By saying I use Google provided sync I’m not trying to one up him because I know it’s a trade-off between privacy and convenience, same with Google Pictures, I respect his choice to not use it’s built-in cloud pictures synchronisation but IMHO on a phone without an SD card support but I won’t be silent when he starts complaining after losing all his photos because he didn’t to back them up
Don’t get me wrong I’m all for privacy, but degoogling without an on premise private cloud or similar solution is kinda troublesome at least
It’s always better to do a little bit to protect your privacy than nothing at all. And keep in mind that by uploading your contact list you’re not only giving up your own privacy but violating the privacy of the people in your contact list as well. If people downvote your comment it is because they don’t agree with your take, that’s got nothing to do with “toxic zealotism”.
Tbh i dont think the downvote button should reduce the visibility of a comment. Downvotes should just show the general consensus. They shouldn’t mask discorse. If people have different opinions, then they should be visible. The up and downvotes will tell readers what most people in a given community think about a particular opinion, which should be enough to shape the opinions of those on the fence or less in the know. but maintaining the visibility of the comments stops a valid point from being buried by a smaller but more vocal minority.
If we shape our opinions only by what ends up on top on any given day based on who happened to be browsing at that time then we may end up censoring good points. All sides should be considered or opinions become narrow and nobody will consider anything other than what they are told to.
Yeah I understand that, i just wanted to show the futility of such small choices while using an Android phone, using stock ROM and using all it’s online features, it’s like using Facebook but with names switched and posting those chains saying you don’t allow to use your photos, instead of just writing the platform, also he’s IT, not some 60yo aunty who just got the phone
Also it’s an Android related community, not !privacy or !grapheneos ffs
Often I find myself downvoted for comments suggesting cloud based or non-FOSS solutions, even in non privacy or FOSS related communities, while I’m a fan of open source and privacy, sometimes those are IMO still a better choice for a layman end user, I understand Lemmy people are more tech/privacy/FOSS oriented, but this it’s bordering with toxic zealotism
Well firstly, this being an Android community doesn’t mean privacy is an off-limits topic.
And secondly, that’s irrelevant, seeing that he’s not the one posting here anyway.
And no, downvoting you because you mocked someone for not giving Google his address book, pretty much saying it brings his IT credentials into question, is not “toxic zealotism”.
I might have worded myself wrong because English isn’t my native language, but I’ve already said my intention wasn’t to mock his decision to guard his data by not explicitly giving them to Google but the meaninglessness of his way to do so.
Because by using an always connected Android phone with all other 3rd party spyware like Facebook etc. he’s already vulnerable, he’s using RCS for messaging, he’s being tracked on so many levels and already owned by corporations, at this point the manual contact sync has little to no sense especially it’s visibly harder for him to do it that way to the point he’s complaining about it.
By saying I use Google provided sync I’m not trying to one up him because I know it’s a trade-off between privacy and convenience, same with Google Pictures, I respect his choice to not use it’s built-in cloud pictures synchronisation but IMHO on a phone without an SD card support but I won’t be silent when he starts complaining after losing all his photos because he didn’t to back them up
Don’t get me wrong I’m all for privacy, but degoogling without an on premise private cloud or similar solution is kinda troublesome at least
It’s always better to do a little bit to protect your privacy than nothing at all. And keep in mind that by uploading your contact list you’re not only giving up your own privacy but violating the privacy of the people in your contact list as well. If people downvote your comment it is because they don’t agree with your take, that’s got nothing to do with “toxic zealotism”.
Tbh i dont think the downvote button should reduce the visibility of a comment. Downvotes should just show the general consensus. They shouldn’t mask discorse. If people have different opinions, then they should be visible. The up and downvotes will tell readers what most people in a given community think about a particular opinion, which should be enough to shape the opinions of those on the fence or less in the know. but maintaining the visibility of the comments stops a valid point from being buried by a smaller but more vocal minority.
If we shape our opinions only by what ends up on top on any given day based on who happened to be browsing at that time then we may end up censoring good points. All sides should be considered or opinions become narrow and nobody will consider anything other than what they are told to.